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  • TD42792TD42792 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    TD42792 said:
    HeissRod said:
    I want to say I used a Boss Mustang ( 0:43.35 @ 969 )
    Time to beat is 42:83
    I used one of these (pretty sure the A77)

    A78 Black Viper 0:42.63 @ 699
    A77 Viper Concept 0:42.78 @ 699
    Without tc that’s surprising but ok, there are more cars that can beat it. Still it’s top epics maxed for just round 10…
  • JayJay Posts: 2,690 ✭✭✭✭✭
    O__VER said:
    TD42792 said:
    edit: was talking about the UR ram. I can now see there is rumour of the epic ram as a prize over the week end… like they’re trying to apologise (or make it even more of an absolute slaughter for this anniversary event rather)
    No rumour, it's an official announcement.

    They haven't said what the format will be though. It could be anything from top 30 in a 100 player event, to top 10 in a 500 player event. 
    Love how it's 'official' but nobody official has announced it on the web forums yet. I had no idea why it was a 10 year anniversary (Top Drives isn't that old!) until another player told me what was said on the official Discord. Terrible communications as per usual.
    This forum has nearly headed the way of the dodo.
  • BlackXWulfBlackXWulf Posts: 136 ✭✭✭
    TD42792 said:
    I came back to get the p1 gtr, which I did. Quite happy with that. Then thought I would stick around for COTW challenge, it has been fun until now. But yet again I am now facing a bottleneck I really dont understand. I mean what is the % of players that have a raptor? Cant be more than 0.1%. Odds of finding one in a CF are 1 to 50, 1 to 200? So basically this ‘not-so-good’ prize car ‘fun challenge’ is for the 0.1% of the player base that already have a raptor. Compare that with a normal tri-series where 2% of the players get a much better car. That’s like 20x more (maybe 50x or 100x more?).

    Someone please explain the logic.

    Anyway, this kind of thing is really what irritates me most about this game. Incomprehensible decisions, to be polite. And of course because I dont have a raptor lol.

    Also, even if I had one, with 3 stock legendaries and a bunch of good epics (half upgraded admittedly), I would still not be able to get the prize. Would need to put something like 15 URs / epics into fuse to make it. That sort of investment is the kind that got me the P1 GTR. It’s just a non-brainer that these prize cars are not worth the investment. Doesnt make much sense.

    Back to hibernation again, see you guys much later, hopefully never again, although doubtful :)


    edit: just did the math, hopefully correctly - there is roughly a 4% chance of getting a raptor from a cotw CF. This means you need to buy 25 CFs on average to get one. That’s 333 usd / eur / gbp. Unless someone can convince me otherwise I am slowly starting to view this challenge as a sort of cheat: make people believe they have a better chance since they dont have to face the tri-series madness, lower value cars offered (so logical tendency is to think it will be easier), but put 99x CFs up for sale… for when 99.9% of the players try their luck to get a raptor, until they realise they need to buy 25 CFs.

    edit 2:
    - from a player perspective, I would be curious to know if people enjoyed this more vs a tri-series. I myself enjoyed it more until I faced the realisation I described above. Now (like with the previous similar mechanic in the previous challenge), it is disgusting me to the point of halting playing
    - from a gameplay perspective, I would be interested to know what % of players got a prize car (to be compared with 2% for a tri-series)
    - from a business perspective, I would be curious to know how much more $ this yielded vs a tri-series (or perhaps less?)
    - from an ethical perspective, I have to strongly condemn such practices. Gaming addiction is a serious problem for many people. There is a reason casinos are heavily regulated in most countries. Significantly raising the difficulty / lowering odds to get the prize while simultaneously allowing people to spend a lot more money is basically akin to lowering the win rates while increasing ticket prices. A lot of poor people will be much poorer as a result.

    Bingo we have a winner you figured the casino effect of mobile games
  • MoogMoog Posts: 561 ✭✭✭✭
    VI round 3, the slalom is giving me issues. I know the other rq31 Manta will win but after opening all the premium packs I still don’t have one. I can beat it with the rq50 mustang, but that leaves me short elsewhere. Any one know if the rq50 Cayman can win race 1 or 3?
  • TD42792TD42792 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TD42792 said:
    I came back to get the p1 gtr, which I did. Quite happy with that. Then thought I would stick around for COTW challenge, it has been fun until now. But yet again I am now facing a bottleneck I really dont understand. I mean what is the % of players that have a raptor? Cant be more than 0.1%. Odds of finding one in a CF are 1 to 50, 1 to 200? So basically this ‘not-so-good’ prize car ‘fun challenge’ is for the 0.1% of the player base that already have a raptor. Compare that with a normal tri-series where 2% of the players get a much better car. That’s like 20x more (maybe 50x or 100x more?).

    Someone please explain the logic.

    Anyway, this kind of thing is really what irritates me most about this game. Incomprehensible decisions, to be polite. And of course because I dont have a raptor lol.

    Also, even if I had one, with 3 stock legendaries and a bunch of good epics (half upgraded admittedly), I would still not be able to get the prize. Would need to put something like 15 URs / epics into fuse to make it. That sort of investment is the kind that got me the P1 GTR. It’s just a non-brainer that these prize cars are not worth the investment. Doesnt make much sense.

    Back to hibernation again, see you guys much later, hopefully never again, although doubtful :)


    edit: just did the math, hopefully correctly - there is roughly a 4% chance of getting a raptor from a cotw CF. This means you need to buy 25 CFs on average to get one. That’s 333 usd / eur / gbp. Unless someone can convince me otherwise I am slowly starting to view this challenge as a sort of cheat: make people believe they have a better chance since they dont have to face the tri-series madness, lower value cars offered (so logical tendency is to think it will be easier), but put 99x CFs up for sale… for when 99.9% of the players try their luck to get a raptor, until they realise they need to buy 25 CFs.

    edit 2:
    - from a player perspective, I would be curious to know if people enjoyed this more vs a tri-series. I myself enjoyed it more until I faced the realisation I described above. Now (like with the previous similar mechanic in the previous challenge), it is disgusting me to the point of halting playing
    - from a gameplay perspective, I would be interested to know what % of players got a prize car (to be compared with 2% for a tri-series)
    - from a business perspective, I would be curious to know how much more $ this yielded vs a tri-series (or perhaps less?)
    - from an ethical perspective, I have to strongly condemn such practices. Gaming addiction is a serious problem for many people. There is a reason casinos are heavily regulated in most countries. Significantly raising the difficulty / lowering odds to get the prize while simultaneously allowing people to spend a lot more money is basically akin to lowering the win rates while increasing ticket prices. A lot of poor people will be much poorer as a result.

    Bingo we have a winner you figured the casino effect of mobile games
    It is quite well known and has been a debated topic in the industry for quite some time, not sure what you are trying to say
  • BlackXWulfBlackXWulf Posts: 136 ✭✭✭
    TD42792 said:
    TD42792 said:
    I came back to get the p1 gtr, which I did. Quite happy with that. Then thought I would stick around for COTW challenge, it has been fun until now. But yet again I am now facing a bottleneck I really dont understand. I mean what is the % of players that have a raptor? Cant be more than 0.1%. Odds of finding one in a CF are 1 to 50, 1 to 200? So basically this ‘not-so-good’ prize car ‘fun challenge’ is for the 0.1% of the player base that already have a raptor. Compare that with a normal tri-series where 2% of the players get a much better car. That’s like 20x more (maybe 50x or 100x more?).

    Someone please explain the logic.

    Anyway, this kind of thing is really what irritates me most about this game. Incomprehensible decisions, to be polite. And of course because I dont have a raptor lol.

    Also, even if I had one, with 3 stock legendaries and a bunch of good epics (half upgraded admittedly), I would still not be able to get the prize. Would need to put something like 15 URs / epics into fuse to make it. That sort of investment is the kind that got me the P1 GTR. It’s just a non-brainer that these prize cars are not worth the investment. Doesnt make much sense.

    Back to hibernation again, see you guys much later, hopefully never again, although doubtful :)


    edit: just did the math, hopefully correctly - there is roughly a 4% chance of getting a raptor from a cotw CF. This means you need to buy 25 CFs on average to get one. That’s 333 usd / eur / gbp. Unless someone can convince me otherwise I am slowly starting to view this challenge as a sort of cheat: make people believe they have a better chance since they dont have to face the tri-series madness, lower value cars offered (so logical tendency is to think it will be easier), but put 99x CFs up for sale… for when 99.9% of the players try their luck to get a raptor, until they realise they need to buy 25 CFs.

    edit 2:
    - from a player perspective, I would be curious to know if people enjoyed this more vs a tri-series. I myself enjoyed it more until I faced the realisation I described above. Now (like with the previous similar mechanic in the previous challenge), it is disgusting me to the point of halting playing
    - from a gameplay perspective, I would be interested to know what % of players got a prize car (to be compared with 2% for a tri-series)
    - from a business perspective, I would be curious to know how much more $ this yielded vs a tri-series (or perhaps less?)
    - from an ethical perspective, I have to strongly condemn such practices. Gaming addiction is a serious problem for many people. There is a reason casinos are heavily regulated in most countries. Significantly raising the difficulty / lowering odds to get the prize while simultaneously allowing people to spend a lot more money is basically akin to lowering the win rates while increasing ticket prices. A lot of poor people will be much poorer as a result.

    Bingo we have a winner you figured the casino effect of mobile games
    It is quite well known and has been a debated topic in the industry for quite some time, not sure what you are trying to say
    What I was trying to say is take what you can get out of this game and enjoy life top drives stress free. I already had a feeling this event was iffy so I just went back to collective mode and back burner and started to get back into another fun interactive game that's f2p that can keep up with p2w... So I'll also probably be in hibernation until something happens with this game. We will see, the f2p moments have dimmered tremendously. 
  • D3nzelloD3nzello Posts: 283 ✭✭✭
    TD42792 said:

    edit 2:
    - from a player perspective, I would be curious to know if people enjoyed this more vs a tri-series. I myself enjoyed it more until I faced the realisation I described above. Now (like with the previous similar mechanic in the previous challenge), it is disgusting me to the point of halting playing
    - from a gameplay perspective, I would be interested to know what % of players got a prize car (to be compared with 2% for a tri-series)
    - from a business perspective, I would be curious to know how much more $ this yielded vs a tri-series (or perhaps less?)
    - from an ethical perspective, I have to strongly condemn such practices. Gaming addiction is a serious problem for many people. There is a reason casinos are heavily regulated in most countries. Significantly raising the difficulty / lowering odds to get the prize while simultaneously allowing people to spend a lot more money is basically akin to lowering the win rates while increasing ticket prices. A lot of poor people will be much poorer as a result.

    to point 1:
    I enjoy this more (altho it depends on how tricky Hutch designed the rounds) rather then a tri-series, since you have to figure specs out, test stuff, run singleplayer times etc etc., whereas tr-series its pretty straight forward....you either have the key cars or not and at some point you hit a wall and thats it. In cotw at least you can still manover your way around and eventually find the right spot (to a certain degree ofc, then you need to upgrade stuff as well).

    point 2:
    you can basically assume everyone who plays for more then 1,5-2 years everyday and spends some money here and there have a good chance to get the prize car. those who play for 3 or more years will get it for sure, generally speaking.
    as far as tri-series go I make it dependend on what cars you need to fuse and if they are usefull in the future, otherwise Im out.

    point 3:
    most likely a tri-series yields way more money, first you have players ego, if you hate to get beaten you start to spend and buy packs, if you lack 1 or 2 cars you go for it and spend even more since you need fuse material as well. also you buy tickets in order to make the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th place....so yeah tri-series is more lucrative for Hutch Id assume.
    In cotw once you hit that "wall" you not going to spend for that one or two specific cars you need in order to progress and let it go.

    point 4:
    good point indeed, this is an addictive game and Im glad Hutch usually limits the amounts of CF packs for tri-series....but just like the golden casino rule: only take as much money out that wont hurt you when losing it.
  • EndlessWavesEndlessWaves Posts: 976 ✭✭✭✭
    Moog said:
    VI round 3, the slalom is giving me issues. I know the other rq31 Manta will win but after opening all the premium packs I still don’t have one. I can beat it with the rq50 mustang, but that leaves me short elsewhere. Any one know if the rq50 Cayman can win race 1 or 3?
    I had one at 666 at that point and while experimenting I believe it won race 3. It's a good car for its RQ so I would be surprised if it didn't win twisty circuit too. 
  • MoogMoog Posts: 561 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 23
    Moog said:
    VI round 3, the slalom is giving me issues. I know the other rq31 Manta will win but after opening all the premium packs I still don’t have one. I can beat it with the rq50 mustang, but that leaves me short elsewhere. Any one know if the rq50 Cayman can win race 1 or 3?
    I had one at 666 at that point and while experimenting I believe it won race 3. It's a good car for its RQ so I would be surprised if it didn't win twisty circuit too. 
    Thanks, it'll be at 666 in 15mins, it just lost at 636
    Edit: Nope, 666 loses both races... I'll test 669 in a few hours.
  • TopDrives34865TopDrives34865 Posts: 165 ✭✭✭
    edited July 23
    Argh... I can't believe I miss round 16 from the lost world (V) just because I once maxed my mustang 969... (i would tie and make 101 points with a Cayman on the last race)

    Does anyone has a screenshot of the last round, the one to win the Ariel? I might try to get something from a CF if I can pass the last round. Ah this is hard, but without having one of the seven epics that qualified for the challenge, I knew it would.

    A last word for Hutch, I have seen a lot of people complaining about all the COTW II challenges, but I really enjoyed it, I found it challenging !

    Edit: I just thought about it, but without my 969 mustang I would have probably not make it all the way through because of all the off-road stuff we had...
  • mckennzmckennz Posts: 81 ✭✭
    The Lost World
    round 15
    do any of the UR Porsches beat the rq60 mustang in the drags ? And what tune?

    thanks !!!!
  • bluedogsnoopbluedogsnoop Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does anyone has a screenshot of the last round, the one to win the Ariel? I might try to get something from a CF if I can pass the last round. Ah this is hard, but without having one of the seven epics that qualified for the challenge, I knew it would.


    ....
  • TopDrives34865TopDrives34865 Posts: 165 ✭✭✭
    Nope, I was only able to tie with my own 969 like I said just before. So if you snatch one, make it 699 to also go through the following one, max the two other caymans once and a C49 mustang (C47 cobra will make it too) and I guess you can get that Ariel
  • TopDrives34865TopDrives34865 Posts: 165 ✭✭✭

    Does anyone has a screenshot of the last round, the one to win the Ariel? I might try to get something from a CF if I can pass the last round. Ah this is hard, but without having one of the seven epics that qualified for the challenge, I knew it would.


    ....
    Shoot, I pass this...
    Thank you anyway 
  • D3nzelloD3nzello Posts: 283 ✭✭✭
    yeah I like that idea...Dimitri  should do a weekly Q&A by himself and pick up those kind of suggestions/questions, given he has time.
  • Aamon_KorAamon_Kor Posts: 36
    I would also like to see more events like this. Especially that you have the choice between several cars at the end, is a very good idea. Unfortunately, I haven't made it yet and I'm still fighting for the Ariel, but I think the difficulty level is appropriate overall.
  • EndlessWavesEndlessWaves Posts: 976 ✭✭✭✭
    Pulled a Viper GTS-R Concept which got me through round 11 and 12, and I didn't need any further upgrades after that. 

    Any chance of a 2002-2004 event over the next few days so we can evaluate which grand prize to go for? 
  • JayJay Posts: 2,690 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I got the grand prize exchange token 4 days ago. Still cannot decide which car to grab.

    Cadillac or Maserati

    Leaning toward Maserati since it dominates in any Maserati event. But the Cadillac doesn't really dominate in Cadillac events because there are other S class Cadillac that can drop from packs.
  • EndlessWavesEndlessWaves Posts: 976 ✭✭✭✭
    Bear in mind the long term challenges will award the Maserati Birthcage 75th, so the MC12 will only get a few months of being Maserati's only legendary. The Birdcage is the same RQ with 3 less handling, so is likely to beat the MC12 on drags and potentially power circuits (bridge, hairpin etc.) 

    The Carrera GT is the best 2000-2004 convertible, and one of the faster cars for it's era generally.  As well as being the best pre-2010 non-slick Porsche. It's also the third best German convertible.

    The Cien seems to be a drag specialist which is often the most useful sort of low RQ legendary. The other cadillac specialists are all medium, so I'd expect them to perform more like high end epics. In terms of US cars there are other drag specialists like the GT90. 


    My feeling is that the Carrera GT will see the most use for me (it'd be my best convertible), although quite often as filler. 

    The MC12 won't get much of a chance to dominate post-Arc 9. If there's a Maserati requirement then it'll either be a single legendary event and it'll only have a small advantage over the birdcage, or it'll be combined with other manufacturers and won't be the best legendary. The characteristics are generic and there's lots of better Italian cars so I doubt it'll see wide use unless your Italian garage is poor. 

    The Cien seems like the strongest of the three. Best in brand. Decent for nationality, especially in it's era. Good value for it's RQ. Personally I do have the ME Four-Twelve which is a very similar car but faster which puts a bit of a damper on that choice. 
  • Yama_sanYama_san Posts: 440 ✭✭✭
    I counted 9 events only and no new upcoming one, did I miss one?
  • O__VERO__VER Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bear in mind the long term challenges will award the Maserati Birthcage 75th, so the MC12 will only get a few months of being Maserati's only legendary. The Birdcage is the same RQ with 3 less handling, so is likely to beat the MC12 on drags and potentially power circuits (bridge, hairpin etc.) 

    The Carrera GT is the best 2000-2004 convertible, and one of the faster cars for it's era generally.  As well as being the best pre-2010 non-slick Porsche. It's also the third best German convertible.

    The Cien seems to be a drag specialist which is often the most useful sort of low RQ legendary. The other cadillac specialists are all medium, so I'd expect them to perform more like high end epics. In terms of US cars there are other drag specialists like the GT90. 


    My feeling is that the Carrera GT will see the most use for me (it'd be my best convertible), although quite often as filler. 

    The MC12 won't get much of a chance to dominate post-Arc 9. If there's a Maserati requirement then it'll either be a single legendary event and it'll only have a small advantage over the birdcage, or it'll be combined with other manufacturers and won't be the best legendary. The characteristics are generic and there's lots of better Italian cars so I doubt it'll see wide use unless your Italian garage is poor. 

    The Cien seems like the strongest of the three. Best in brand. Decent for nationality, especially in it's era. Good value for it's RQ. Personally I do have the ME Four-Twelve which is a very similar car but faster which puts a bit of a damper on that choice. 
    Let's not forget the Cien has 110 MRA. I didn't really have a choice as I have the other two and see the SLS as useless garbage, but I think the Cien has its niche – there are few US cars that fill the same hole.

    The Maserati has been medium-useful. Comes out in Maserati events as a trump card but not really any other time. Hardly anyone has it beyond 333 either. 414 days and 126 races at 58% (probably a lot of draws with itself).

    The Porsche Carrera GT is one of those cars where there are so many other cars that fit the same or similar criteria, that it ends up hardly being used. For my (admittedly well-rounded) garage, I've had this car for 945 days and I've used it 196 times with 79% wins.
  • EndlessWavesEndlessWaves Posts: 976 ✭✭✭✭
    Last 24 hours to pick a prize car. 
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