Yep, I just saw that correction - I've made a note in the original post, unfortunately I don't have the technology to simulate what the Jaguar will do without TCS and ABS.
I've also added in both the DKR and the Metro as other prize cars of interest in this RQ range in the updated table.
Thanks for adding both cars Tim! You are going to hate me for never letting this topic go: How come the DKR is 7RQ higher than the Jaguar but loses on 4 of 6 tracks against it? I can't highlight it often enough, that either its ranked to high or needs a change. Ps. It even loses on those 4/6 tracks against every other car...
Right, good question. I think this is actually similar to the Land Rover Defender 90 vs. Defender 110 RQ discrepancy.
If two cars A and B are very similar on 80% of tracks, and on the other 20% both are bad, but B is a lot worse than A... then B will have a lower RQ. Normal and expected.
If two cars C and D are very similar on 80% of tracks, and D is just fractionally faster than C on all of them - but on the other 20% D is a lotworse than C... then if the 'a lot' is big enough, D will have a lower RQ, even though it's technically better on the majority of tracks.
From my investigation, this is what can happen among off-road cars due to the hill challenges. A car that is very slightly better than another (like the Defender 110 vs the Defender 90), but doesn't have the hill climb bonus (the thing we add to correct hill climb performance for non-performance stats such as ground clearance, centre of gravity, suspension etc), will rank a lot worse on hills - and that drags their RQ down. This is also the case in the above example - the 3008 DKR is a lot better on hills than the Jaguar. (I think the Defender 110 should probably be corrected to have a similar size hill bonus to the Defender 90 actually, and it would then have a higher RQ).
And now, on to the Ariel Atom 500 V8:
So, that's beating the 12C on everything tested bar the 1 mile... but not the Superlight R500 on the Slalom, presumably just due to the weight difference.
Also as it will likely come up, let's just check a 333 Atom 500 V8 vs a 699 Superlight: (I don't get to see the upgraded stats in the simulation I use to generate these, that's why those are blank).
So not too surprising that a 699 Superlight still beats a 333 Atom 500 V8 on twistier tracks, but it does have some weaknesses even at this upgrade advantage.
Now, on to the KTM X-Bow GT4.
With a prize car announced this far in advance, the odds of some corrections coming in before release are higher, but here's how it currently performs:
It comes out as a bit of an all-rounder, which isn't always ideal in Top Drives; and of course it's Austrian, which doesn't come up that often. If only there was some kind of tag or grouping that gave Austrian cars more of a chance to be useful...
It comes out as a bit of an all-rounder, which isn't always ideal in Top Drives; and of course it's Austrian, which doesn't come up that often. If only there was some kind of tag or grouping that gave Austrian cars more of a chance to be useful...
Like the rest of the world ?
You can add Sweden and Australia too...
Or add more cars for those countries :P
But i like the comparaison between the R500 maxed and the 333 S ! This is how you judge a S for me, 333 S vs maxed A
I'm going to guess it will be an off-road car like the Peugeot 405 T16 Pikes Peak or the Porsche 959 Dakar. I don't recall an off-road rerun, so it is probably time for one of those.
In reality, I would prefer the McLaren P1 or the Nissan GT-R Nismo.
I'm going to guess it will be an off-road car like the Peugeot 405 T16 Pikes Peak or the Porsche 959 Dakar. I don't recall an off-road rerun, so it is probably time for one of those.
In reality, I would prefer the McLaren P1 or the Nissan GT-R Nismo.
I'm going to guess it will be an off-road car like the Peugeot 405 T16 Pikes Peak or the Porsche 959 Dakar. I don't recall an off-road rerun, so it is probably time for one of those.
In reality, I would prefer the McLaren P1 or the Nissan GT-R Nismo.
Suzuki Pikes Peak and the MG Metro have both been rerun, but yes, we haven’t had an off-road rerun in a while
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The GT-R has already been awarded ?
I am more hoping to have a competing hand, to get my first tri-series prized cars !
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Not anymore. The Facebook group convinced me that selling any cars for Ceramics is the right move, if those cars aren't useful right now.
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What do you have ? :P
A lot and too many to list without seeming like bragging.
Don't tell me you've got all 3 VW Buses
Not anymore. The Facebook group convinced me that selling any cars for Ceramics is the right move, if those cars aren't useful right now.
Really? Thinking about it but i can’t quite convince myself to sell any of the 27 E and F prize cars in my garage...
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What do you have ? :P
A lot and too many to list without seeming like bragging.
Don't tell me you've got all 3 VW Buses
Not anymore. The Facebook group convinced me that selling any cars for Ceramics is the right move, if those cars aren't useful right now.
Really? Thinking about it but i can’t quite convince myself to sell any of the 27 E and F prize cars in my garage...
I had 8-9 of each Jaguars but I sell them when I need slots. I think that whatever happens you would never need more than 5 and it is highly possible that leaving 2 would be enough.
that was before i even started playing and i'm here for more than 2 years
Mercedes x5. Back when you could run a hand of partially-built epics and Ultra Rares and still be undefeated.
Was it offroad? Because i remember winning my first CF in some Mercedes off-road final, the 333 6x6 being really strong there and my lucky card.
I think that was for either the P1 or 918 first time round. Having a 333 6x6 and a GLE 63 S was dominant against everyone else's Rare 280 GE and UR G63.
that was before i even started playing and i'm here for more than 2 years
Mercedes x5. Back when you could run a hand of partially-built epics and Ultra Rares and still be undefeated.
Was it offroad? Because i remember winning my first CF in some Mercedes off-road final, the 333 6x6 being really strong there and my lucky card.
I think that was for either the P1 or 918 first time round. Having a 333 6x6 and a GLE 63 S was dominant against everyone else's Rare 280 GE and UR G63.
Thanks. I got a sweaty T2 and was really excited. Always wondered which prizecar it was all about.
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If two cars A and B are very similar on 80% of tracks, and on the other 20% both are bad, but B is a lot worse than A... then B will have a lower RQ. Normal and expected.
If two cars C and D are very similar on 80% of tracks, and D is just fractionally faster than C on all of them - but on the other 20% D is a lot worse than C... then if the 'a lot' is big enough, D will have a lower RQ, even though it's technically better on the majority of tracks.
From my investigation, this is what can happen among off-road cars due to the hill challenges. A car that is very slightly better than another (like the Defender 110 vs the Defender 90), but doesn't have the hill climb bonus (the thing we add to correct hill climb performance for non-performance stats such as ground clearance, centre of gravity, suspension etc), will rank a lot worse on hills - and that drags their RQ down. This is also the case in the above example - the 3008 DKR is a lot better on hills than the Jaguar. (I think the Defender 110 should probably be corrected to have a similar size hill bonus to the Defender 90 actually, and it would then have a higher RQ).
And now, on to the Ariel Atom 500 V8:
So, that's beating the 12C on everything tested bar the 1 mile... but not the Superlight R500 on the Slalom, presumably just due to the weight difference.
Also as it will likely come up, let's just check a 333 Atom 500 V8 vs a 699 Superlight:
(I don't get to see the upgraded stats in the simulation I use to generate these, that's why those are blank).
So not too surprising that a 699 Superlight still beats a 333 Atom 500 V8 on twistier tracks, but it does have some weaknesses even at this upgrade advantage.
Now, on to the KTM X-Bow GT4.
With a prize car announced this far in advance, the odds of some corrections coming in before release are higher, but here's how it currently performs:
It comes out as a bit of an all-rounder, which isn't always ideal in Top Drives; and of course it's Austrian, which doesn't come up that often. If only there was some kind of tag or grouping that gave Austrian cars more of a chance to be useful...
You can add Sweden and Australia too...
Or add more cars for those countries :P
But i like the comparaison between the R500 maxed and the 333 S !
This is how you judge a S for me, 333 S vs maxed A
In reality, I would prefer the McLaren P1 or the Nissan GT-R Nismo.
The GT-R has already been awarded ?
I am more hoping to have a competing hand, to get my first tri-series prized cars !
that one was ages ago i think
that was before i even started playing and i'm here for more than 2 years