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  • TopDrives34865TopDrives34865 Posts: 160 ✭✭✭
    Plus  699 vs 969, it is known that 969 is better on slalom 
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 8,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Slalom?
  • StreetracerStreetracer Posts: 235 ✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    Lower 0-60 & AWD giving better traction out of the corner.  Seems plausible to me.

    Does this game really differentiate between FWD, RWD and AWD on dry asphalt? I always thought there are no traction problems in this game on dry asphalt.
  • TopDrives34865TopDrives34865 Posts: 160 ✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    Slalom?
    Wow sorry, I don't know why I thought is was a slalom. But still, 969 performs better than 699 on Hairpins
  • StreetracerStreetracer Posts: 235 ✭✭✭
    Lamborghini Islero - 996 loses versus 969 on 1/4 mile sand
    Still wondering when more weight is advantegeous.

  • BlackXWulfBlackXWulf Posts: 134 ✭✭✭
    edited August 6
    Lamborghini Islero - 996 loses versus 969 on 1/4 mile sand
    Still wondering when more weight is advantegeous.

    Since it took place on sand the heavier car has better traction, the science is complicated about off roading, a balance vehicle has a better chance than a lighter car(like in this case the weight reduction could be off the rear of the vehicle and that reduces traction on launching vs the balance weight through out the car) if they are the same vehicle 
  • StreetracerStreetracer Posts: 235 ✭✭✭
    Yes, I know this kind of science, but I think it is also important which tires are mounted, which drivetrain and if the car has TC or not. Otherwise offroad tire cars tuned 996 would lose on sand drags.
    The Lamborghini is RWD, performance tires, no TC. The "base" grip is too low.
    Maybe a 996 tune would win with TC or with standard tires. I hope it is understandable what I try to say.
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 8,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6
    The handling score doesn't make a difference on a drag; just FYI
  • BlackXWulfBlackXWulf Posts: 134 ✭✭✭
    Also since it's sand the lighter car will probably have more wheel spin especially if the weight reduction is in the rear don't know the vehicles distribution ratio 
  • willcf15willcf15 Posts: 465 ✭✭✭✭
    You guys have way too much faith in this physics model lol. If it had any weight distribution parameters, mid engined cars would have an advantage over front when grip is an issue, but this is not the case.
  • StreetracerStreetracer Posts: 235 ✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    The handling score doesn't make a difference on a drag; just FYI

    Thanks, I know that "Mountain Hill Climb" is the only drag race where handling score is relevant.
    When I said grip, I did not mean handling. I meant traction. Sorry for that.
    Also since it's sand the lighter car will probably have more wheel spin especially if the weight reduction is in the rear don't know the vehicles distribution ratio 
    I do not think this game changes the weight distribution with weight reduction. Like I said before with your explanation offroad tire cars tuned 996 should lose on drags. But I agree with you for performance tires on offroad tracks. That just matters if the tires do not have enough grip.

    I do not understand this offroad physics model. :D
  • EndlessWavesEndlessWaves Posts: 974 ✭✭✭✭
    O__VER said:
    Wow thanks Hutch. Can I have my fuses back?
    Why is that unbelievable? They have similar power and the one that won was a purpose built rally car, not something aimed at fun first, lap time second. 

    I suspect the Nomad is one of those cars that the RQ ranker determined performed best on a surface other than the one you'd normally associate with it's tyres. It's got pretty good dry tarmac performance for an RQ70ish medium height car. 

    In hindsight it might have been better added into the game with different tyres - it's available with all season, all surface, mud and rally tyres from the factory. 
  • TD42792TD42792 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    O__VER said:
    Wow thanks Hutch. Can I have my fuses back?
    Why is that unbelievable? They have similar power and the one that won was a purpose built rally car, not something aimed at fun first, lap time second. 

    I suspect the Nomad is one of those cars that the RQ ranker determined performed best on a surface other than the one you'd normally associate with it's tyres. It's got pretty good dry tarmac performance for an RQ70ish medium height car. 

    In hindsight it might have been better added into the game with different tyres - it's available with all season, all surface, mud and rally tyres from the factory. 
    I think the high rq is due to what you say (good performance on dry tarmac) and more importantly that it is high ground clearance. These two things give it a strong rq boost. If you take out both of these rq bumps to compare it on off road tracks where no high ground clearance is required I bet it would be around 60 rq.

    This is the same for most of the non-ALL high clearance cars, like the 959 dakar or qx50, who always get beaten. The reverse is also true, for instance the levorg or edge sport benefit from a rq discount because they are not high, so they beat all similar rq high clearance cars on most tracks.

    I dont think I like this system because in the case of high vs medium, there is just too much of a divide in terms of usability on high clearance tracks (mainly motocross, maybe some hill climb too?) that the rq should compare what is comparable. I am not saying the whole rq generator system is bad or wrong, just that for off road, std or perf tires, medium or high ground clearance should be considered the same. The fact that you can use these cars on 1 specific track is just a matter of selecting the right type of car for a type of track, not a reflection of how good these cars are vs others.
  • O__VERO__VER Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10
    O__VER said:
    Wow thanks Hutch. Can I have my fuses back?
    Why is that unbelievable? They have similar power and the one that won was a purpose built rally car, not something aimed at fun first, lap time second. 

    I suspect the Nomad is one of those cars that the RQ ranker determined performed best on a surface other than the one you'd normally associate with it's tyres. It's got pretty good dry tarmac performance for an RQ70ish medium height car. 

    In hindsight it might have been better added into the game with different tyres - it's available with all season, all surface, mud and rally tyres from the factory. 
    Yes I know that much of the Nomad's RQ is due to its dry tarmac performance, but the only thing the Escort has on the Nomad in-game is 2 handling points and 5 horsepower. Everything else is in the Nomad's favour so I guess I thought that since it's 130kg (17%) lighter, has 16% more torque and is more modern (so should have a better hidden braking score), it should win. But, handling off-road clearly accounts for too much in this game.

    And let's talk about real world ability. Someone in the corrections topic dug this out:
    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ariel-nomad-versus-rally-car-which-fastest

    The basic summary being that the Nomad can match or even beat a modern rally car with a similar power output. Do you really think a 1979 spec rally car is that good against a modern one?


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  • BlackXWulfBlackXWulf Posts: 134 ✭✭✭
    edited August 15
    Disregard 
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  • BlackXWulfBlackXWulf Posts: 134 ✭✭✭
    edited August 15
    Disregard 
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  • O__VERO__VER Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm sorry but do you understand the point of this thread?
  • BlackXWulfBlackXWulf Posts: 134 ✭✭✭
    O__VER said:
    I'm sorry but do you understand the point of this thread?
    Good thing you said something I put them in the wrong thread my bad I was in a rush 
  • StreetracerStreetracer Posts: 235 ✭✭✭
    edited August 16
    Lotus M100 Elan 969 vs Lotus Elan SE 969
    Hairpin road
    ROFL  :D
    Lotus Elan SE wins because of quicker 0 to 60. Who cares 3 points less handling. xD

    Edit: Is the SE the better Elan? Maybe I should compare their times on other tracks. :(
  • O__VERO__VER Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17
    Still confuses me why Hutch has left both in the game. They are the same car.

    (although Hutch proved to us how BS the handling figures are by making them different  :D )
  • rkorallerkoralle Posts: 824 ✭✭✭
    200hp difference dont matter...


  • O__VERO__VER Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rkoralle said:
    200hp difference dont matter...


    Yeah that Merc has miserable MRA and should be higher handling too. It should, if Hutch ever corrects it properly, be Legendary.
  • TD42792TD42792 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    O__VER said:
    rkoralle said:
    200hp difference dont matter...


    Yeah that Merc has miserable MRA and should be higher handling too. It should, if Hutch ever corrects it properly, be Legendary.
    Yeah I was told this is on the fix list… let’s see with the next update.
    In itself this car’s performance doesnt make sense, but it’s especially wrong that the older ml63 is much better in handling and mra. So here is to hoping that it wont get forgotten in the next update.
  • AslanVAslanV Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭
    The older ML was corrected not so long ago :)

    Same case as the Corvette C5. The yellow Z06 was corrected because still a A but the black liftenger (or something like this) was not because it would go in S territory
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 8,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both of those were changed in PL12 (a year ago)

  • TD42792TD42792 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TD42792 said:
    O__VER said:
    rkoralle said:
    200hp difference dont matter...


    Yeah that Merc has miserable MRA and should be higher handling too. It should, if Hutch ever corrects it properly, be Legendary.
    Yeah I was told this is on the fix list… let’s see with the next update.
    In itself this car’s performance doesnt make sense, but it’s especially wrong that the older ml63 is much better in handling and mra. So here is to hoping that it wont get forgotten in the next update.
    I CANT BELIEVE THE GLE63S HAS NOT BEEN FIXED. Just incredible

    At least based on what patch notes say
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 8,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TD42792 said:
    TD42792 said:
    O__VER said:
    rkoralle said:
    200hp difference dont matter...


    Yeah that Merc has miserable MRA and should be higher handling too. It should, if Hutch ever corrects it properly, be Legendary.
    Yeah I was told this is on the fix list… let’s see with the next update.
    In itself this car’s performance doesnt make sense, but it’s especially wrong that the older ml63 is much better in handling and mra. So here is to hoping that it wont get forgotten in the next update.
    I CANT BELIEVE THE GLE63S HAS NOT BEEN FIXED. Just incredible

    At least based on what patch notes say
    And the patch notes explain why
  • EndlessWavesEndlessWaves Posts: 974 ✭✭✭✭
    Yup, GLE will go legendary when it's fixed so it falls under the substitute-and-replace policy. 
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