MRA Discussion, Issues and Recommendations

mikes · March 2020

Better late than never. This is a thread to discuss vehicles whose MRA seems off (too fast or too slow). When discussing a vehicle, please submit the following:

The car's name, year and RQ so we know which vehicle is being discussed
A screenshot of the STOCK (non upgraded) vehicle's performance in game. Such as 0-100 mph, 1/2 mile, 0-150 mph, etc.
A link to a reliable source showing how the vehicle performs in real life.

PlantedZebra · March 2020

well shoot, looks like forza motorsport 4 ain't gonna cut it for the furai

ThatPorscheGuy · March 2020

Isn't this what the entire car corrections thread is for?

JackyQu · March 2020

BMW 545i

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15133349/bmw-545i-short-take-road-test/

Should be slower in game

JackyQu · March 2020

BMW M3 CS

Seems like the M3 CS’s MRA should be a bit faster. This source C/D tested the M3 Competition, which should be slower than the M3 CS. While the M3 CS’s 0-60, 0-100 and 1/4 mile are correct in the game. Its speed at 1/4 mile is the same with the M3 Competition test result, and the CS's 0-150 in the game is slower than the Competition's test result.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15099418/2016-bmw-m3-sedan-dct-competition-package-test-review/

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In game testing results

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JaguarDTM · March 2020

JackyQu said:

BMW M3 CS

Seems like the M3 CS’s MRA should be a bit faster. This source C/D tested the M3 Competition, which should be slower than the M3 CS. While the M3 CS’s 0-60, 0-100 and 1/4 mile are correct in the game. Its speed at 1/4 mile is the same with the M3 Competition test result, and the CS's 0-150 in the game is slower than the Competition's test result.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15099418/2016-bmw-m3-sedan-dct-competition-package-test-review/

In game testing results

Can you find any tests that show the M3 CS's 1/4 mile trap speed and 0-150 time, etc. The M3 CS should be faster than the M3 Competition on 0-150 but by how much?

JackyQu · March 2020

I personally cannot find a real life test about the M3 CS and that is why I used the M3 Competition’s testing to compare. The M3 CS is extremely rare. With the upgraded engine and lighter weight the M3 CS should faster than the M3 Competition. Would be great if anyone here can help

mikes · March 2020

ThatPorscheGuy said:

Isn't this what the entire car corrections thread is for?

No

JackyQu · March 2020

BMW 440i

I posted this car before but it wasn’t noted so I gathered more information about this car. I found that the 4 series actually has 2 transmission options, one is the 8 Speed Automatic which C/D Tested and the other one is the 6 Speed Manual. The 0-60 in the game matches with the C/D’s Automatic one, the 0-100 and the 1/4 mile seem closer to the Manual data. These all make sense. However, the 0-150 is too far away.

I suggest 0-150 to be faster. Also, we can change the 0-60 a bit slower to 4.5 or 4.6 since the C/D did the automatic one 0-60 in 4.4 sec, while the manufacturer claims the automatic one can do 0-60 in 4.8s and the manual one can do 0-60 in 4.9s.
https://cdn.dealereprocess.net/cdn/brochures/bmw/2018-4series.pdf
The BMW Brochure

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15092710/2018-bmw-440i-rwd-coupe-automatic-test-review/

The Automatic 440i test

And in game testing

JackyQu · March 2020

2006 Porsche 911 GT3 RS

Should be faster
http://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/Porsche/911/997/Porsche_US%20911GT3_2007.pdf

In game testing

JackyQu · April 2020

Range Rover VelarAutobiography Dynamic Edition

The VelarAutobiography Dynamic Edition in game should be faster. In C/D’s test it ran 0-60 at 3.8 seconds and have a mra of 71.7. (I’m not sure it’s 0-100 and 1/4 in game since I didn’t get the car before 11.1, if anyone can help then it will be great) And it should have 502 lb/ft of peak torque
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a27953980/2020-range-rover-velar-sv-autobiography-dynamic-drive/

https://www.landrover.com/Images/Range-Rover-Velar-Brochure-1L5602000C00BXXEN02P_tcm281-710446.pdf

TD42792 · April 2020

Clk dtm!!! Clk dtm!!! Clk dtm!!!

I remember there is a car correction submission for this already, let me know if it has been lost for some reason.

thebigbadwolf · April 2020

JackyQu said:

2006 Porsche 911 GT3 RS

Should be faster
http://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/Porsche/911/997/Porsche_US%20911GT3_2007.pdf

In game testing

0-60 and 0-100 match the game performance figures pretty well, i dont see why anything has to be changed. Also, correcting anything on that car would come with the risk of hutch screwing the rest of the performance figures (MRA) up

thebigbadwolf · April 2020

Reposting @PlantedZebra's post in here, as I think it fits perfectly into this "wrong MRA" category.

He posted:

I'm probably not the first one to point this out but eh... ?

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If links are still required then here you go: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a19862504/2018-mclaren-720s-instrumented-test-review/

JackyQu · April 2020

Chevrolet Cobalt SS S/C

Should be slower
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/cobalt/2005/compact-sport-coupe-comparison/

In game testing

SCOOTYYYYYYYY · April 2020

Lamborghini Huracan Performante coupe/spyder - MRA Issue

This wouldn't have come to my attention had I not been constantly losing the same race in the Bull and Griffin event.

Both cars are at 1.3 and somehow the Performante Convertible has better MRA than the coupe despite them both having the same amount of power and the coupe being lighter.

1 Mile speed - Tried to screenshot however I didn't do it in time, if anyone could provide the convertible on the mile with the speed would be appreciated for proof.
Coupe speed - 182mph - 26.65
Convertible speed - 186 or 184 mph - 26.30
0-120
Coupe - 7.63
Convertible - 7.61

Even on the fast circuit the Convertible perf was hitting 2MPH faster than the coupe.

Either the coupes MRA needs to be improved to match the convertible or the convertibles needs to be downgraded to match the coupe. Either way the MRA on these two needs addressing.

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JackyQu · April 2020

SCOOTYYYYYYYY said:

Lamborghini Huracan Performante coupe/spyder - MRA Issue
This wouldn't have come to my attention had I not been constantly losing the same race in the Bull and Griffin event.
Both cars are at 1.3 and somehow the Performante Convertible has better MRA than the coupe despite them both having the same amount of power and the coupe being lighter.

1 Mile speed - Tried to screenshot however I didn't do it in time, if anyone could provide the convertible on the mile with the speed would be appreciated for proof.
Coupe speed - 182mph - 26.65
Convertible speed - 186 or 184 mph - 26.30
0-120
Coupe - 7.63
Convertible - 7.61

Even on the fast circuit the Convertible perf was hitting 2MPH faster than the coupe.

Either the coupes MRA needs to be improved to match the convertible or the convertibles needs to be downgraded to match the coupe. Either way the MRA on these two needs addressing.

https://forums.hutchgames.com/discussion/comment/167897#Comment_167897

juan_cruz_96 · April 2020

thebigbadwolf said:

JackyQu said:

2006 Porsche 911 GT3 RS

Should be faster
http://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/Porsche/911/997/Porsche_US%20911GT3_2007.pdf

In game testing

0-60 and 0-100 match the game performance figures pretty well, i dont see why anything has to be changed. Also, correcting anything on that car would come with the risk of hutch screwing the rest of the performance figures (MRA) up

Current MRA of the GT3 RS is 85.00 and the current MRA for the GT3 is 84.13. With the changes listed here, the GT3 RS rises to 97.67 and the GT3 rises to 97.73, wich IMO is more realistic than the current situation. The GT3 seems to have better MRA than the GT3 RS at first, but with the flexibilty test in that brochure, it's clear that is the other way around, repecting the hierarchy.

If Hutch fixes the 0-60 and ruins the MRA it'd be no doubt they did it on porpouse. They can't get it wrong with such accurate data (even though they didn't fixed the Mobi D!ck MRA correctly either, they just bumped it to be better, but is actually above 110, currently being 98).

Dodecane · April 2020

Do we have to repost corrections from previous posts?

Dodecane · April 2020

RQ25 Jaguar XJR 575
0-150 mph ingame: 22.91s

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/6027574/uploads/editor/0b/kznb402pf4f1.png

Testing by Car and Driver: 20.7s
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15076853/2018-jaguar-xjr575-first-drive-review/

topdrives10210 · April 2020

The CTR2 was nerfed too much. The BTR2 and the Ruf R Kompressor are beating it or coming close with more weight and tons less horsepower.

Also the Lambo Huracan Performante Spyder has beaten my regular Huracan Performante in a straight line which is impossible given they are the same model year with the same motor and the spyder is over 100 kg heavier using your own data.

I am on my computer so I do not have pics to share.

SCOOTYYYYYYYY · April 2020

topdrives10210 said:

The CTR2 was nerfed too much. The BTR2 and the Ruf R Kompressor are beating it or coming close with more weight and tons less horsepower.

Also the Lambo Huracan Performante Spyder has beaten my regular Huracan Performante in a straight line which is impossible given they are the same model year with the same motor and the spyder is over 100 kg heavier using your own data.

I am on my computer so I do not have pics to share.

I have posted about the Huracan Performante and the spyder variant with images.

JackyQu · April 2020

BMW M3 CSL

Should be faster
http://www.m3csl.de/misc_csl_supertest.php

In game testing

JackyQu · April 2020

And another review
https://fastestlaps.com/models/bmw-m3-csl
(The first one in the comment section)

topdrives10210 · April 2020

SCOOTYYYYYYYY said:

topdrives10210 said:

The CTR2 was nerfed too much. The BTR2 and the Ruf R Kompressor are beating it or coming close with more weight and tons less horsepower.

Also the Lambo Huracan Performante Spyder has beaten my regular Huracan Performante in a straight line which is impossible given they are the same model year with the same motor and the spyder is over 100 kg heavier using your own data.

I am on my computer so I do not have pics to share.

I have posted about the Huracan Performante and the spyder variant with images.

Let's hope they listen. There is no way in physics the spyder wins in most any race.

thebigbadwolf · April 2020

JackyQu said:

2006 Porsche 911 GT3 RS

Should be faster
http://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/Porsche/911/997/Porsche_US%20911GT3_2007.pdf

In game testing

0-60 and 0-100 match the game performance figures pretty well, i dont see why anything has to be changed. Also, correcting anything on that car would come with the risk of hutch screwing up the rest of the performance figures (MRA)...never change a running system and this is one.

thebigbadwolf · April 2020

JackyQu said:

2006 Porsche 911 GT3 RS

Should be faster
http://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/Porsche/911/997/Porsche_US%20911GT3_2007.pdf

In game testing

0-60 and 0-100 match the game performance figures pretty well, i dont see why anything has to be changed. Also, correcting anything on that car would come with the risk of hutch screwing up the rest of the performance figures (MRA)...never change a running system and this is one.

juan_cruz_96 · April 2020

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0-60 from 3.5 to 3.7
0-100 from ?? to 7.7
0-150 from ?? to 17.3
MRA from 83.98 to 92.5

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/lamborghini/gallardo-2003-2013/performance

If anybody has one stock, please submit times for 0-100 and 0-150. Thanks.

Automotive_Gaming · April 2020

juan_cruz_96 said:

0-60 from 3.5 to 3.7
0-100 from ?? to 7.7
0-150 from ?? to 17.3
MRA from 83.98 to 92.5

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/lamborghini/gallardo-2003-2013/performance

If anybody has one stock, please submit times for 0-100 and 0-150. Thanks.

I have it at 111 if that helps

Automotive_Gaming · April 2020

BMW 730d (C18)
The mra is too high on this car, the 0-100 time is 17.7 seconds whereas in game it does it in 16.9

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/bmw/7-series-2008-2015/performance

PlantedZebra · April 2020

Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera/Super Trofeo Stradale/Edizione Tecnica

I have the STS and it does 7.2 sec 0-100 mph.

Auto Motor und Sport reviewed the SL and tested 7.0 sec 0-160 km/h: https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/test/supertest-lamborghini-gallardo-lp570-4-superleggera-durch-abspecken-in-die-top-liga/technische-daten/

Other than that, I don't have the ET but that car should get its 0-60/MRA reviewed as well because those three are basically the same car with the same power output and it makes no sense that one of them is significantly better.

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Lamborghini Huracan Performante coupe/spyder - MRA Issue

Lamborghini Huracan Performante coupe/spyder - MRA Issue